Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. Beyonder(Pre-Retcon) Tier 1. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Conceptual Beings In Marvel are A Heavy Case Even Complex to Pre Retcon Beyonder and Comprehension in General More Real Than they Are so they create Forms and Allow others to Create forms of them to Interact or. And boy, DC is supremely addicted to crises. 2. Xeranthemum from Suggsverse, at least going by the wiki. Marvel tends to have their top tier have very physical feats while lucifer's are more metaphysical. The powers of the PRB are attributed as unlimited; omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story and to give Beyonder a curiosity, a reason to visit Earth in SWII. (They Became the HOI, basically writer tier, or paper tier). Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. PRB was millions of times more powerful than all the poster in the Multiverse combined. They live here, and decided to fuck shit up. I/O has a low-tier character that is on the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder and everyone, as in literally EVERYONE, even the. The brothers are strongest than the living tribunal and the spectre. And he has just way more hax and reality manipulation against the mostly physical Goku to handle! 11. TonyStark6999. Divine mystical enhancements granting near omnipotent abilities. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Name: Beyonder. Beyonder wins with high difficulty . Who will win in a fight between Beyonder and Multi-Oblivion & Oblivion (Pre-Retcon)?The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. Pre Retcon Beyonder wins with ease! He is literally beyond everyone and everything (ofc not TOAA) and a multiversal threat. Making Beyonder stronger than a Tier 0 is not at all the same as scaling him to TLT. Lucifer Morningstar at his strongest is Oblivion-tier. Edit: Looking at the respect threads PR Beyonder actually seems a lot more impressive, and it seems my point regarding Lucifer being half the Presence was wrong. . Well COIE Anti Monitor, as powerful as he may be, is actually a little out of his league here. Tier: At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A | At least Low 1-C, likely higher | 1-A Name: Alien X Origin: Ben 10 Gender: Male Age: Inapplicable (Likely billions of years old. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. Both are in character. Beyonder, Solar vs. PR Beyonder had full backing by Marvel Boss, Jim Shooter to do anything he wanted. ''. Reply. The Beyonders who are attacking the multiverse are beings that live in the beyond, which most likely is either outside the multiverse, or be void between universes. . Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). Post-Retcon Molecule Man easily overpowered the Post-Retcon Beyonder. PanzerX. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Cosmic. please everyone change your vote there is no way Beyonder (pre retcon) looses here the "FRA" movement here is based off a. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. The same way how Marvel was back then a multiverse. Rune King Thor can still lose to the Abstract beings such as Eternity and Infinity. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. ProfessorRespect. Mxyzptlk, Lucifer Morningstar, & Maxwell (DC) VS Pre Retcon Beyonder, Molecule Man & Galactus (Marvel) 2. Attack Potency= Atleast Universal+ (killed countless cosmic beings from countless realities) | Atleast Hyperversal (3 of them was enough to kill The Living Tribunal and their battle with him raged across all realities at the same time) | High Hyperversal (The Beyonder from the secret wars (that would mean that the version of. Gender: Inapplicable (As the character stated, "he" was made of energy. Beyonders too has proven in little EXP because h e has lost his power on various occasions and despite claiming to be omniscient, but in practice had to learn everything by experience. Carey and JM De Matteis brought the guns, material and ammunition NEEDED to make DC the second-first tier most powerful fiction. P. Even LT feared him and begged him not to do everything he did. The following is an overview of our Tiering System. #8 Edited By Sungsam. It’s not. #1 KalKent1297. Rune King Thor is still under Omnipotent beings such as The-One-Above-All and Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 2 years ago. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. Pre retcon beyonder was stronger than all of marvel multiverse combined with exception of TOAA. Follow 41314. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Nothing beats Pre-Retcon Beyonder! Pre-Retcon Beyonder was THE Supreme Being of Marvel! The TOAA before TOAA existed! He was basically God! God Emperor Doom (The Secret Wars 2015 version) would. Share Sort by: Best. With this skill (plot manipulation), still can affect Pr beyonder. Thus, Bill, in theory, could do something that the Beyonder never. Marvel's Multiverse was not using Type III Multiversal Expansion. He encompasses all of dimensionality, but he does not transcend it. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. Pre Retcon Beyonder'in seviyesi benim gözümde Mandrakk ile aynıdır ki buna göre sadece Vertigodan bile bayağı bir karakter yazabilirim bende. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Manhattan's league. And yeah he stomps. Well technically Dr. Follow 5232. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being of his Multiverse. The old prerecton beyonder wasnt the same as the current beyonders, but he was related to them. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D multiverse. HOTU has shit tier feats, as does Beyonder. Reply Slaine_Troyard •. If someone can actually name a more. All of Thanos’ feats are fodder tier in comparison to him. No BFRs and the battle takes place in the forge of creation. Even lower tier characters in Mythos would. Business, Economics, and Finance. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's greatest heroes. 2. Beyonder is millions of times more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Molecule Man has fought Pre-Retcon Beyonder (who is more powerful than Dr. Reply Beyonder (Marvel) Respect The Beyonders (Marvel) Homelander (The Boys) Respect Homelander! (The Boys, Dynamite) Respect Homelander (Amazon's The Boys) Pre-Retcon Beyonder. R. New comments cannot be posted. And Pre-Retcon Beyonder was being overwhelmed by The Phoenix Force. Presence isn't all that impressive either, but enough to. Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. The Beyonder has been retconned. And the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate. Origin: Marvel Comics. As we can recall Pre Retcon Molecule Man was close in range to The Pre-retcon Beyonder, but even still was no match for him. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. According to that one guy Anos could do it,. Beyonder displayed far superior implicated power than the. Hit a Like And Subscribe To Help Out💵 “Wanna Donate/Support? 💵👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇🏼👇💰PayPal💰. . 7 years ago. Inhuman Mutant beyonder probably pretty sure it was his powers in spidey that let him remake all creation in a fraction of a second. Pre retcon beyonder was the closest to TOAA I think any being has come to. In terms of scaling, the downplay of most of the entire Marvel verse was frustrating. 6. (still high 1-B but much lower on the tier). Ruphas have Higher dimensional manip. Lucifer stomps. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. He needed to use his entire power to kill mistress death which left him drained . Reece became a lowly laboratory technician working at a nuclear plant owned by the Acme Atomics. I/O, Demonbane, Cthulhu Mythos, Umineko, and Ichiban Ushiro no Daimaou. VERDICT: For those unaware beyonder is not just 1-A: He's HIGH 1-A, FAR greater than infinity itself. Only if the Beyonder is in his realm, but that becomes a major stomp based on whats said here. The Only Thing I know. Pre-Retcon Beyonders was described to be like a child compared to the Beyonders we are seeing now. Just because Beyonder, originally wasnt from marvel multiverse doesnt mean that Beyonder isnt a marvel character, because he is. - Fight Scenario -. Thanos w/ Astral Regulator is the strongest character in Marvel-verse. beyonder post-retcon ii (aka beyonder-inhuman-mutant) 4. Composite-DC/Vertigo's Infinite Hierarchy is. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. Sep 6, 2015. With that said, some random guy asked Tom Brevoort on Pre-retcon Beyonder being an omnipotent, and this is what he had to say. 1st Retcon - Beyonder was a cosmic cube who dreamed everything (so SW & SW II did not happen) . Round 2: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs God of Stories Loki Bonus Round: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Venom (The End) Archived post. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. TOAA: Got KOed by Thanos with the Regulator, stated he wasn't omnipotent unless the multiverse had "order", smaller multiverse. #2. Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. Example: If a character is in the upper range of a tier such as Solar System level, said character will be listed as "Solar System level+", not "High Solar System level". Nice. Living Tribunal has been beaten by several characters that are weaker than. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Beyonder is a cosmic Marvel Comics comic entity created by Jim Shooter, Mike Zeck and John Beatty. Beyonder was affecting the entire Marvel multiverse or omniverse, or something like that, all at once. Follow 41274. I think it was Uncanny X-men 203#. 4 years ago. There is no way to square all of. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. MayGodSmiteThee • 2 yr. laj11900 • 2 yr. Alien X (Ben 10) vs pre retcon Beyonder. Rune King Thor is still under beings such as The Living Tribunal infinitely. CryptoCurrent MM isn't that strong in comparison to a high-tier reality warper. it would be mostly stalemate. They’re 50 tonners at most. Both Beyonder (assuming this is him outside his personal realm) and the Presence, since both are like Low 1-B, this could go either way. which allows michael to ignore boundless narrative hierarchy and can create the concept to make new ones over and. Pre Retcon Beyonder said that the combined powers of all the beings in the multiverse (including entities) where just like a drop in the sea and is considered to be a million times powerful than. Text under CC-BY-SA licenseWe can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Planetary. I am allowing characters who only appeared once and characters that aren't part of the main Canon. Some stuff from DC like Lucifer Morningstar. Manhattan) and has recreated a galaxy. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. Hajun via feats and implied power. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are all after the retcon. I agree with his tier, but one thing I don't understand is how is beyonder above Oblivion when he is just above existene while Oblivion is not part of. He first appeared in the 1984 limited series "Secret Wars" and was created by writer Jim Shooter and artist Mike Zeck. Thought Robot without any effort. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. Rememeber he is a CONCEPT who wields power enough for him to create and destroy 60 billion. It took 3 of the Beyonders to take down the same LT. Pre-Retcon Beyonder wrecks. Forum Posts. perpetua slams but shinra one taps both because he’s tier -1 and transcends all. R2: God stomps. 3 years ago. The Beyonder deafeated Doom-avec-Galactus' power and dissected him. PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. 4 years ago. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A(more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B(same as The Beyonder). Weaknesses. Phoenix in the new defenders will fight against Ômega Beyonder who are most powerful than pré-retcon Beyonder) 10 True Form Oblivion {See all Creation and Cosmos like a infinitesimal to him, he is the outside of Cosmos, The Previour outside are below than far shore, but the. deactivated-5b3daad020468. There it, the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Here, let me pull a Beyonder feat out of my ass: With mere thoughts, the Beyonder subjects the entirety of Earth and all of its' inhabitants (down to the very microbes) to his rule, causing the most powerful leaders to bow to him instantly. Powers and Stats. SirMethos. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder. She’s not on Living Tribunal’s tier. Servant tier -the gil that appears at fate stay night, fate strange fake and as a servant in fate go(not the alive gil). CsmicRanker1314 1. M. If someone can actually name a more. Especially considering the only other times to my knowledge I’ve. People already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. 5: (Pre-Retcon Only) Molecule Man (Owen Reece) Tier 2: The Living Tribunal; Tier 2. Shigaraki(My Hero Academia) fights an army of street tier DC and Marvel heroes. Hell, Featherine Augustus Aurora is more "omnipotent" than him,. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. Superhuman. So BeyonderGod Beyonder > Cynical DemonbaneSearch titles only By: Search Advanced search…Beyonder by feats however after thinking about it i think EGD should win. Morals off. ago. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. 4,925 4,750. Seriously at his peak height, Pre Retcon Beyonder was something that no current DC character could handle. Multiversal. Spectre. CryptoName Owen Reece, Molecule Man Origin Marvel Tier: 1-B Gender: Male Classification: Mutant Age: Unknown Abilites and Powers: Matter Manipulation, Reality Warping, Space-Time Manipulation, Transmutation, Probability Manipulation, Molecular Manipulation Weaknesses: a non stable mind Destructive Capacity: Beyond Multiversal ( was able to. The same way AAO is the Supreme Being of the Marvel Multiverse. Pre retcon beyonder was more of a plot device than a character lol. But Pre-retcon Beyonder is just a cut above the rest in terms of these characters. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far above the Living Tribunal. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. Basically, either or both can be considered to be the presence, in either it's evil or good forms. 5 years ago. The Beyonder(Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. Alien X is free of any indecisiveness, and both are bloodlusted. but pre-Retcon Beyonder was explicitly a being outside of the Marvel totality. Thanos with the HOTU is more powerful than LT as well, though I can't remember any massive feats he had. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. That's actually like a low showing for him. Beyonder scaled above all. in classic era: Jim. He killed all the beyonders who were the grown ups of this pre Retconned beyonder and literally absorbed their power and he was able to actually trap am. Using the Pre-Retcon Beyonder here is just severe overkill. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. Older than the. -. Speed Equalized Round 1: Gauntlet Scenario Round 2: John. The Physical Timeline Multiverse of DC has changed sizes from being 52 Timelines. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder. Forum Posts. Bill also got more experience than Beyonder since Bill is over 1 trillion-year-old. pre retcon beyonder is supposed to be above the living tribunal ( LT couldn't defeat him so he asked for MM's help) 11 years ago. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. Follow 3209. Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. True Darkseid might actually have a chance though. Manhattan will almost vaporize all the people in here, but he will stop at Molecule Man or TOAA. At the time of the Secret Wars he was stated as being equal to the One Above All. Black winter lost to king thor with the power of galactus. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. 0. Well even pre retcon beyonder. Gender: Inapplicable. Seriously, Nyarlathotep has done more than all the others listed and Demonbane pimpslapped her. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Again, I don’t kno Fu, but if he’s Hyperversal as ur sayin, or even higher, then he’d def beat Post-retcon. Sorted by: 9. . Manhattan is super strong. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Post Retcon the Beyonder was part cosmic cube along with Owen. @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. So, I looked at The Beyonder's(Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. The Tree of Knowledge alone contains infinite multiverses and aleph infinities and The Scarlet King could effortlessly destroy it. The First and Second Retcon Beyonder are not above The LIving Tribunal. Mar 9, 2022. Special Conditions: None. Let me remind you that SCP verse is much bigger than both Marvel and DC. You know that. 2. Jan 22, 2018; Thread starter #2 bump . Yakushimi. 16 days ago TheDevil98Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. R2: God stomps. Nov 25, 2017. #. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Pre-retcon Beyonder, ect. ago. Register Sign in. TOAA probably isn't more powerful than suggsverse characters. He’s high tier Outerversal. ago. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Pre retcon Beyonder is probably the closest you'd get, I'd say Lucifer could even beat the living tribunal, not really anyone else who comes close. The original Beyonder was created for the Secret Wars (1985) miniseries. Elaine Belloc would win under both scenarios, 2nd would be pointless. @divinemaster: seeing no one is making an argument For Pre Retcon Beyonder, i will play the devil's advocate. Nothing more. #15 Azronger. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. And form. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Age: Unknown. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse, before he came across the. English Branch All Mighty can knock out SK tier entities by casting flood and elder gods who hold back from accidentally destroying entirety of existence are sitting in his shadows, that's enough for both lucifer and beyonder. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. ago No. 7 K than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Death from what I remember had no power of Lucifer, only Destiny did - so I think it's safe to assume she scales below him. Jan 22, 2018. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. Humans that exist in a megaverse can't automatically destroy a universe in another fiction. There has been several incarnations of the Beyonder, each a retcon of the one before. The Beyonder is a cosmic being of immense power, often labelled as omnipotent during the issues of Secret Wars, and much stronger than all the other cosmic entities. 26,333. Tier: High 1-B | At least High 1-B | High 1-A | High 1-A. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Black Friday DEAL: 1 Year Membership for $5. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. 2. City. Doom pressed a button which stole all the Beyonder's power. Within the beyond realm, he's supposed to be omnipresent. Thelastmlg said: thought robot is around baseline high hyperversal while beyonder is stronger that everyone in the marvel multiverse combined times some millions which includes the living tribunal and if i not wrong multi-eternity which both are baseline high hyperversal. the Source blinks Pre-Retcon Beyonder. So much so that the MU was below it's notice. Rules: All tier zero characters from marvel are removed. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. GameStop Moderna Pfizer Johnson & Johnson AstraZeneca Walgreens Best Buy Novavax SpaceX Tesla. The Beyond Realm is a existence that is beyond and older than the current Marvel Omniverse, Originally a realm that was from the Original Beyonder and due to retcons is currently housed by the Omnipotential beings known as The Beyonders. 11,582. Rune King Thor can't beat Omnipotential beings such as The Beyonders and Cosmic Cubes. ;. Apr 2014. e. If i had to lowkey choose one blindly, i'd go with PRB. So I might be missing something. Forum Posts. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder TOAA is Marvel and the Presence/Elaine Belloc is DC, but there's a quote by Jim Shooter and Stan Lee from Marvel that puts The Pre-Retcon Beyonder more higher--even above TOAA, (including Elaine Belloc AKA the Presence) and that's “being millions and millions of times more powerful than Marvel". Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only. 0. He’s stronger than the one above all who is pretty much god above god. SirMethos. Bloodlust on. Imagion all he powers in the Marvel Multiverse (which is infinite), not just the Multiverse but also every being in it, and emptyness (which is also infinite) beyond it (blank pages) Even Stan Lee stated in an interview in the 80s, that Beyonder was supose to represent the power the writers had over the comics. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Later, the two merge into one single Cosmic Cube, and it is. Literally any one of the hundred omnipotent beings in Marvel could. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. I have him at Multiversal. both use 1B rating Both team have 10 Years of prep bloodlusted. First Tier Mages vs Molecule Ma Round 1: The Mages are sane and aren't Marauders. If I argue against you it's because I find your logic flawed and won't count your vote unless you provide sufficient. Beyonder and Thanos . I have him at Multiversal. After the retcon that wasn't the case. - Neither. You yourself admit that Pre-retcon Beyonder is infinite dimensional, as he is inferior to TOAA it supports TOAA being beyond that. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. 2. Matter of fact she doesn’t even beat Mister Mxyztplk. ago. Solar Supercharge: Superman Prime One Million remained in Earth's sun, labelled as the "Super-Sun", for 15,000 years, increasing his abilities to unknown but presumably titanic levels. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. Yujiro defeated a big elephant that even 3 military cars with 5 black guys couldn't stop. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. 0. 1. Not an expert on Beyonder, I just have a rough idea of his tier of power. I think you could argue rather convincingly that he's the 2nd moat powerful character in all of fiction, only behind TOAA. Post-retcon isn’t anywhere near as powerful as Classic (Pre), but he’s still pretty powerful. S. Why? Because beyonder powers are const and limited. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Respect Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Doom absorbed the power of Galactus to unlock more of MM's power and MM eventually needed everyone's help (especially Silver Surfer) to defeat the Beyonder.